I saw this post on Noelle Stevenson’s Tumblr recently, and it dovetailed with something I’ve been thinking about a lot of late:
There is often a binary perception of how things in life should be appreciated: either love them (wholly), or don’t. And I’ve been thinking about how obviously untrue that is, and also how difficult it can be on the internet to express the complicated relationship most of us have with things we love.
The internet flattens things, making it difficult to tell when someone is being sincere, or bitingly sarcastic. In fact, I would say the internet is a place where it can feel impossible to be silly. And when I love something—like a book, TV show, or movie—that is complex, with both positive and negative parts, I express it most often by being silly.
Let’s take the most obvious example: Twilight. (Of course!)
I have read all the books more than once, including Midnight Sun. I own all four, and all the movies. I went to Forks. But I also did this. Silly! Because I understand that Twilight is flawed. Hugely. That does not, however, diminish my enjoyment of the books or the movie*.
This was brought up when we featured a Twilight-themed cover in the “Go Away, I’m Reading” series. The “In Forks, Send Help!” cover got a lot of reaction. A few comments were along the lines of: “Oh man, that’s great! Making fun of Twilight is the best because boy does it suck!” or, “I thought you were cool and everything until I saw you making fun of Twilight and now no sparkle party 4 U.”
I totally appreciate both of those points of view. My problem is that they represent extremes. And, to paraphrase John Green, the truth resists extremes. We live our lives not in black or white, but in a great big mess of gray. So I can’t please the person who loves Twilight genuinely, earnestly, completely, with no room for poking fun at sparkle motion or the fact that the original book says “moats” of dust instead of “motes.” (MOATS.) But! At the same time, I am not down with people only interested in sneering at Twimania. As Noelle said, if I didn’t have a nugget of love for something, I’d ignore it.
So what is it? What is the feeling of thinking about something often (like, entirely too often), finding friends with that same interest, engaging in repeated and serious discussions about it—-But also, mocking it? All over the place? With giddy abandon?
It boils down to: What is being so intrigued by something in which you also recognize, accept, and even, at times, delight in its weaknesses?
That’s love.
Seriously. That’s all it is.
I don’t have to believe that the things I love are flawless or above reproach. But being silly about something, or making fun of it at times, doesn’t make my love less geniune. It’s just what I do with things that interest me that deeply. For me, joking about a subject is still spending time with it.
I’ve found that it can be difficult for people to understand this, sometimes. ”But I thought you liked Twilight?” or “But you said the writing in Twilight wasn’t very good? So why are you re-reading it?“ I don’t have a better explanation for that besides: I love it. For better or worse, richer or poorer, subverting the male gaze or sparkling the shit out of an infant imprint, I just love it.
What about you?? What are some things that you love, but also find problematic? Do you have Thoughts on whether it’s hard to be silly on the internet? Can you believe it really said MOATS?!
* This is a great post on how to be a fan of problematic things, re-linked to recently by Stephanie Perkins. Definitely worth a read!





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That link in the footnotes!! What a great post. Thanks for sharing, Sarah :)
Isn’t that a great article?? We don’t have to forsake things that have problems. But we can’t ignore them either! That post helped me a lot.
I was just thinking about this YESTERDAY re: Twilight. I always feel I need to defend myself or read it in secret for fear of facing the mockery of my peers (and since my peers are writers, their teases are fierce!). Yet, at the same time, I love all the parodies and jokes on Twilight, like Growing Up Cullen (THANK YOU RICK!) or the Reasoning With Vampires tumblr site.
I’ve said this before (about Twilight and also Glee) and I’ll say it again: just because I like something doesn’t mean it has to be good.
Exactly! And ohhhhhh my, Growing Up Cullen is like, literally hours of laughs. AMAZE.
I feel like this issue is a subset of the “self consciousness about what you like” thing that has saturated some forms of music, TV, and movie criticism. There’s a false sense of some level of “quality” that media has to reach in order to be worthy of notice. And if we’re honest with ourselves, everyone enjoys a high-low cultural mix. Why deny it, or hedge it with “ironic” enjoyment? VIVA LA TWILIGHT.
Ooooh, I like that! “Just because I like something doesn’t mean it has to be good.”
SO TRUE. :)
I have a really hard time drawing the line between letting myself enjoy the humor/mockery of things I like and feeling guilty, like I’m selling out to protect myself from ridicule for liking things that everyone seems to love to hate on. Because the mockery can be SO funny–but sometimes it comes from people who are putting it out there and ready to be judge-y toward anyone who actually did like what they’re mocking. Yanno?
Although it’s only with books. I think because as a writer, I feel really bad for other writers whose books are mocked so hugely by the rest of the industry, regardless of how big their books are. Other areas of pop culture though? I have no problem bringing on the mockery of the things I love–or don’t. :)
EXACTLY. It can be really hard to figure out online whether someone is being silly (in a loving way), or just flat-out mean. It’s unfortunate, since online communication is huge for so many of us! And i definitely know what you’re saying with books versus movies or TV shows. But if we were TV show writers we’d feel differently! We have to protect our community :)
I love this post! I feel exactly the same that nuance gets lost all too quickly on the interwebs, and before you know it you can find yourself placed, unwittingly, on “team Twihard” or “Team sparklecrap.” Complexity, people, complexity. It’s what makes the world go round…
Yes, totally! Nuance gets a little garbled out in the internets. Luckily there’s still plenty of things to get silly about without hurting anyone’s feelings (see: all of LOLcats) but when you want to discuss something like Twilight, where people have strong feelings either way, it gets tricky.
Great post, Sarah! I feel the same way about this. I like to joke about Twilight, and yet I have all of the books on my shelf, and have most of the movies on blu-ray downstairs. I’d probably love the heck out of a trip to Forks too! There are things that I seriously dislike about Twilight, but I do have to give the books a lot of credit–they’re what clinched my interest in YA. :)
Twilight was my first real entry into YA too! It’s like a gateway drug to awesome literature, ha :)
YES to like EVERYTHING in this post! It’s funny because back in the day, my friends and I were huge (and I mean huge) boy band fangirls. And we made fun of them as much (if not more than) we staunchly defended our boys. Like you said though, it’s often weird for people to see the love in the mockery. Not too long ago, my friend’s boyfriend asked us if we were really fans after hearing a round of our loving mockery. We simply replied, THIS IS HOW WE SHOW OUR LOVE. :)
It is absolutely okay to like things despite their flaws. Just recognize that there ARE flaws and/or that they might not appeal to everyone. I will confess I’m not really a fan of Twilight, but I do see why it’s massively appealing and I will also confess that the series has brought me hours of amusement.
Oh my goodness, Boy Bands are a GREAT example! I mean I loved N*Sync, but this? Really? I’m so glad your friends are like mine, LOL. We kid because we love!
LOL, omg, I don’t think I’ve EVER seen that picture before. What the heck is happening and WHY?!
God, I love it. I’ve decided my taste is exuberantly MID-BROW and I’M OKAY WITH THAT. I never got into Twilight, but you can pry my trashy epic fantasy courtesan novels from my COLD DEAD HANDS
And Sparkle Chang is a million laughs.
:D Yay for Sparkle Chang!! And OH YES, trashy romance novels FTW. Seriously, it might be cliched, but it’s so dang fun!
Oh my god, yes: because now that SMASH is over for the season, I won’t get to spend an hour every week yelling things like, “Someone call Equity!!!” and “What about your Chinese daughter?!” (…Debra Messing was trying to adopt, see, and she told her teenage son that his little sister was waiting for them to come rescue her from China…and then they dropped the plot, I guess.) I have been hatewatching that show so hard and I am totally gonna miss it over the summer. I will never miss an episode as long as it airs (god help me) because it’s relevant to me and my community (theater nerds) and even though it’s totally infuriating, I’ve claimed it somehow. It’s different from something like the Real Housewives-style reality shows or CSI-style procedurals, in that I’m totally indifferent toward those shows. The opposite of love isn’t hate; it’s “meh”.
“The opposite of love isn’t hate; it’s “meh”.” <—-I am sewing this on a pillow.
Also: Hatewatching is my new favorite word. LOVE IT!
YES. My students don’t get this because teens live in the Land of the Literal. “But I thought you liked that book? Why are you doing that to your Edward Cullen doll?” I should direct them to this post.
“Why are you doing that to your Edward Cullen doll?” < ---I do have some questions about this. LOL
Yes, figuring out how to admit I loved complicated (or, god help me, POPULAR) things is basically an act of recovery from teen/early college years when everything I loved had to be PERFECT and amazing. I mean, seriously, at some point I had to embrace this frame of mind or lose my mind entirely. TWILIGHT > JOYCE and that is just that for me.
<3 I love thinking about you having Twi conversations with your students btw! Best teacher ever!
YES! Oh yes! People in my real life do not understand some of the things I like (Twilight, Vampire Diaries, Ringer, etc) because I am an English major and how could I possibly like that?!
BECAUSE I DO. nuff said. BUT I can totally make fun of all of those things BECAUSE I love them! They aren’t perfect, but I like them. Kind of like all of my friends. If they were perfect we wouldn’t have much in common :P
Love this post :)
MOATS! I am currently picturing sparkle motion vampires swimming in moats of dust. Amazing.
As you know, I love to hate-watch things. Specifically, House Hunters. I freaking LOVE House Hunters so much, but one of the best things about that show is how ridiculous the couples are, and how easy it is to turn it into a drinking game! Watching people not buy houses because they can’t stand the color of the walls is one of my favorite pastimes.
However, I hate-read things because I’m cheap. What starts as a normal read will quickly turn into a hate-read, and I will angrily finish the whole book because I paid for it. I will vent about it as soon as I’m done, but then I will never mention it again. Once the hate-read is over, I for sure ignore it and pretend like it never happened.
Great article, thanks for sharing! We definitely live in a world of gray. Love it, hate it… love/hate it. And make memes of out of it! Lol.